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« Reply #650 on: February 01, 2017, 10:48:43 AM »
So, on that note, Camp Mustache Canada should cost more?

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« Reply #651 on: February 01, 2017, 10:53:30 AM »
Actually, I think the price is about right for our location, offering, etc. We sold 90% of release 1 within an hour of the release. The remaining spots took a few days to sell.

Now what happens with release 2 will tell how accurate our pricing is.

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« Reply #652 on: February 01, 2017, 10:56:47 AM »
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« Reply #653 on: February 01, 2017, 12:13:47 PM »
So, on that note, Camp Mustache Canada should cost more?

CMC is definitely priced silly cheap. I'm amazed at the value.  :)

Not complaining, and since the money doesn't go to charity, it's more like Vanguard, where keeping costs down helps the people attending, which is the whole point.

It's the opposite of a situation in which one is trying to maximize a cost to raise money.
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« Reply #654 on: February 01, 2017, 01:09:05 PM »
So, on that note, Camp Mustache Canada should cost more?

CMC is definitely priced silly cheap. I'm amazed at the value.  :)

Not complaining, and since the money doesn't go to charity, it's more like Vanguard, where keeping costs down helps the people attending, which is the whole point.

It's the opposite of a situation in which one is trying to maximize a cost to raise money.

I've done my best to keep costs down. Here's why...

1.) Raw financial impact of the real cost of a weekend like this:
  a) A lot of the folks attending are early on the path to ER. A $500 (total cost incl. travel, etc.) weekend is a big chunk of some of their savings. Grown over time that cash could be big (thinking of a year 1 saver here). OTOH, $500 spent to attend could give you ways to increase savings by $1000's in your first year. The upfront cost can't be a barrier to attending and making the gains. I am not being eloquent. do I make sense?
  b) Travel costs on top of attendance costs can balloon a $500 weekend to thousands, and the local draw is not huge. Many (most) will be travelling more than 2 hours.
  c) For the non-ER crowd (me) a missed day of work will add $100 - $300 to the cost of the event.

2. I think it would be hypocritical for me to lock into a posh venue for an event for a crowd that celebrates simple pleasures. Finding a venue that fed into the tenets of frugality, simplicity, environmental awareness, and charity was not easy, but was very important to me. I started off looking to support independent family businesses. When I saw this venue with its charitable registration, it immediately changed everything. The added bonus of a very reasonable price fed into item 1.

3. Where CM (Seattle) allows room for scholarships in its budget, I do not. For folks whose budget is very tight, I need this to be doable on a travel hack or carpooling. The benefits must outweigh the cost by 3:1. I believe I am hitting that target IF attendees apply the information shared. If you are coming for a weekend at the Marriott and hoping for a cabana boy to bring you towels... well... the CB ratio will be off then.

4. Local draw - in the GTA there are not as many Mustachians as Seattle or NYC or some other areas. If I am going to fill bunks I need this pricepoint to appeal to folks from afar. Price will be a factor there for sure.

5. International Borders - Similar to item 4, some folks are getting/renewing passports to come. Not only is this an added cost, it is added effort and added risk in taking a bunk. I needed to come up with a price that offset the cost and risk folks are taking on. Some folks who are attending have never been to Canada before. For them the perceived risk (there really isn't any) of spending time in a foreign culture (its not really different) needs to be offset as well. The uncertainty of travelling abroad can be seen as an exotic as well (its not) so I guess I could market this as a reason to pay more??? Dunno, I'm not in marketing. How do I make McDonald's Canadian Menu exciting and exotic? Anyone?

In summary, I have worked hard to hold a hard budget line and I think we will hit the targeted $235 per bunk price. We may need to get creative on some facets of the event, and it is only 3 days (Seattle is 4) but I think that as long as everyone arrives with an open mind and willing to participate and relax we will have a great time. There will be no gold flakes on your ice cream. There will not be $100 bills to light the non-existent Cuban cigars with. And its BYOB - the Courvoisier will only be available if YOU bring it. But I still believe that it will be a good time and dollar-for-dollar entirely worth the cost.

Finally I don't want this to be a 3-day long brag session. Please share your successes, but really I don't care if your NW is a bajillion dollars or a buck-ninety-five. I want to laugh with you, canoe a little, and bust a move on the dance floor. I have no desire (or time for) brag sessions.

Wow this got long and preachy. I'll hit post anyways. Feel free to blast me as needed.

<Edit for 3 reasons:

1. Thanks ARS for recognizing teh work that has gone into keeping this a low cost weekend. I'm glad people recognize what I'm up to.
2. The only way to keep it low cost is to keep tasking in-house, so thanks too to teh folks who have stepped up as presenters and helpers. I will be looking for more folks "in a supporting role" as the event draws nearer.
3. I openly admit we are flying a test-balloon here. If this is a success, and if feedback is positive, we can try to make this happen again in the future. Since this is the beta-event, it will not be perfect, and folks may give feedback that for an extra $50pp it's worth it to get a balloon artist and face painter next year. For this first go though, simple and low cost is my mantra.>
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« Reply #655 on: February 01, 2017, 02:44:37 PM »
Prospector

THANKS!!!

I am amazed at the value too.

Canada (which I visited for the first time last year) IS AWESOME. Canadians are wonderful people (probably more like New Zealanders than Australians) - super nice (even when they are pissed off at you for visiting their museum when it is closed, and all the information SAID it was closed, but the caravan park person said it was open and they are drop dead busy trying to get all the exhibits sorted out for the opening next week). And (I beg to differ) Canadian culture is foreign - probably especially to Americans, because it is more like that of Australia and New Zealand in that all three countries separated amicably from Britain only a bit over a century ago. The other thing is that the US is a superpower, and the people don't get taught about other places, whereas the citizens of countries with smaller populations need to know about other peoples.

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« Reply #656 on: February 01, 2017, 03:11:17 PM »
Prospector

THANKS!!!

I am amazed at the value too.

Canada (which I visited for the first time last year) IS AWESOME. Canadians are wonderful people (probably more like New Zealanders than Australians) - super nice (even when they are pissed off at you for visiting their museum when it is closed, and all the information SAID it was closed, but the caravan park person said it was open and they are drop dead busy trying to get all the exhibits sorted out for the opening next week). And (I beg to differ) Canadian culture is foreign - probably especially to Americans, because it is more like that of Australia and New Zealand in that all three countries separated amicably from Britain only a bit over a century ago. The other thing is that the US is a superpower, and the people don't get taught about other places, whereas the citizens of countries with smaller populations need to know about other peoples.

Also here we call them campgrounds or trailer parks. ;0)

Thanks for thanking me.

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« Reply #657 on: February 01, 2017, 05:56:16 PM »
I'm all about a no-frills weekend keeping costs low. Like you said Prospector....it would feel very contrary to the things we try to practice here to splurge on luxuries for CMC. Thanks so much for all the work you have poured into this!

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« Reply #658 on: February 01, 2017, 06:35:59 PM »
Actually, I think the price is about right for our location, offering, etc. We sold 90% of release 1 within an hour of the release. The remaining spots took a few days to sell.

Now what happens with release 2 will tell how accurate our pricing is.

I think all of us stragglers on the first release had already told you that we had work/were very busy and important.

I think Goderich is pricing low on purpose for the same reason CMC is. Areas like Goderich have a couple of rich families, and a lot of big families on tight budgets. I'd also suspect that the event is low-budget volunteer run. No one paying $20/ticket will be upset if the displays are handpainted by super-cool 12 and 82 year olds. Restaurants and stores will be overflowing, and they might get people to come back in a few months to look at the Christmas lights or craft fairs.

That being said, I wish I could take two weekends in a row and do Harry Potter +CMC. And I think our weekend will be super amazingly fun. Once we finalize the schedule, we'll realize we're very busy and have lots of amazing things to see do and learn.
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« Reply #659 on: February 01, 2017, 07:29:46 PM »
I've never heard anyone bragging at CMC. Not sure why it'd be a concern. :)
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« Reply #660 on: February 01, 2017, 08:24:03 PM »
I've never heard anyone bragging at CMC. Not sure why it'd be a concern. :)

This is good to hear. Because I ditched my HS reunion for precisely this reason.

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« Reply #661 on: February 01, 2017, 10:44:33 PM »
So, on that note, Camp Mustache Canada should cost more?

Well didn't you see Prospector's earlier post:

If for whatever reason you cannot make it to camp you are welcome to sell/transfer your ticket. I just ask that you PLEASE LET ME KNOW. I need to keep an updated list of attendees for bunk assignments, special diets, etc.

He never said you couldn't sell/transfer for more than you paid. Secondary market FTW ;)

Just kidding (mainly), and more seriously, thanks Prospector for keeping costs low. Much appreciated.

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« Reply #662 on: February 02, 2017, 06:28:53 AM »
So, on that note, Camp Mustache Canada should cost more?

Well didn't you see Prospector's earlier post:

If for whatever reason you cannot make it to camp you are welcome to sell/transfer your ticket. I just ask that you PLEASE LET ME KNOW. I need to keep an updated list of attendees for bunk assignments, special diets, etc.

He never said you couldn't sell/transfer for more than you paid. Secondary market FTW ;)

Just kidding (mainly), and more seriously, thanks Prospector for keeping costs low. Much appreciated.

Whose kidding??? I have 4 tix for the fam, if these things double in value, I'm cashing in and taking a European vacation instead!

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« Reply #663 on: February 02, 2017, 06:32:39 AM »
Next seat release... Monday Feb 6 (See post 1). I will be releasing all remaining bunks at this time. Spread the word, update signatures, etc.

It may sell out faster than a Harry Potter themed street party. You never know!

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« Reply #664 on: February 02, 2017, 06:44:57 AM »
Next seat release... Monday Feb 6 (See post 1). I will be releasing all remaining bunks at this time. Spread the word, update signatures, etc.

Sorry, but what does the bolded part mean?  I don't see anything in post 1 about signatures required for anything.  Thanks.

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« Reply #665 on: February 02, 2017, 06:47:59 AM »
Next seat release... Monday Feb 6 (See post 1). I will be releasing all remaining bunks at this time. Spread the word, update signatures, etc.

Sorry, but what does the bolded part mean?  I don't see anything in post 1 about signatures required for anything.  Thanks.

Our entire advertising budget is folks voluntarily putting stuff in their signatures about meatball parties and male-to-female ratios at CMC. So far, it seems to be working.

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« Reply #666 on: February 02, 2017, 06:50:55 AM »
Oh--gotcha!  I was imagining some sort of electronic signature on our e-mail to you--or signing away some large portion of our stash...

Thanks!

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« Reply #667 on: February 02, 2017, 08:04:11 AM »
Updated my signature!

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« Reply #668 on: February 02, 2017, 08:06:26 AM »
Updated my signature!

That's beautiful. Thank you!

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« Reply #669 on: February 02, 2017, 12:12:39 PM »
I'm curious now- what is the male to female ratio?

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« Reply #670 on: February 02, 2017, 12:15:17 PM »
I'm curious now- what is the male to female ratio?

I believe we are now at a perfect 1:1, but that spreadsheet is at home.

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« Reply #671 on: February 02, 2017, 12:22:16 PM »
Updated my sig - made it all fancy...
Getting dizzy yet?

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« Reply #672 on: February 02, 2017, 12:30:07 PM »
Updated my sig - made it all fancy...
Getting dizzy yet?

Oooh scrolling text!! I think there is a flash function on SMF as well, but I am grateful that it has not been enabled here. Scrolling and flashing text would just be too much.

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« Reply #673 on: February 02, 2017, 01:05:50 PM »
Updated my sig - made it all fancy...
Getting dizzy yet?

Oooh scrolling text!! I think there is a flash function on SMF as well, but I am grateful that it has not been enabled here. Scrolling and flashing text would just be too much.
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Maybe too much, or maybe just enough......
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« Reply #674 on: February 02, 2017, 01:55:26 PM »
@G-dog That sure is some fancy scrolling! I think CMC is going to outperform the Harry Potter event at this rate!

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« Reply #675 on: February 02, 2017, 08:59:21 PM »
In the interest of public safety, CMC will be a flashing-free event. If swag includes bike lights, we will all  use the solid light function until such time as the event concludes.

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« Reply #676 on: February 02, 2017, 09:01:52 PM »
In the interest of public safety, CMC will be a flashing-free event.

There goes the skinny dipping at the lake plan.
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« Reply #677 on: February 02, 2017, 09:37:20 PM »
Hmmm, what are the odds of finding a cheap flight from the west coast in the next 9 months. . .I am seriously contemplating this! 

Anyone else going to be flying in and need to find their way there from the airport?

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« Reply #678 on: February 02, 2017, 10:36:12 PM »
Hmmm, what are the odds of finding a cheap flight from the west coast in the next 9 months. . .I am seriously contemplating this! 

Cheap flight?

I don't know your credit score, but if it's decent, and you're willing to sign up for a credit card, how about a free flight, the Camp fee paid for, a second free flight, and cash back in your pocket, instead?

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« Reply #679 on: February 03, 2017, 05:28:40 AM »
Hmmm, what are the odds of finding a cheap flight from the west coast in the next 9 months. . .I am seriously contemplating this! 

Anyone else going to be flying in and need to find their way there from the airport?

We've talked about it a few times - check flights to YTO as well as to BUF This will cover the three closest airports to camp. Folks are setting up carpools and transit options.

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« Reply #680 on: February 03, 2017, 05:36:40 AM »
Since I'm at home and the spreadsheet is handy... right now we have 11 males to 15 females. This seat release will sell out bunks (30 spots) and I am still looking for 2 speakers and a morning fitness leader for day 2. If anyone here is willing to share a topic they are passionate about or lead an aerobics class or a jog or something, please step up.

Also the number above don't lie - the ladies are obviously better at spotting an awesome weekend away!

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« Reply #681 on: February 03, 2017, 05:41:41 AM »
This seat release will sell out bunks (30 spots) and I am still looking for 2 speakers and a morning fitness leader for day 2. If anyone here is willing to share a topic they are passionate about or lead an aerobics class or a jog or something, please step up.

I'd wager you will have multiple willing speakers in the last 30 people.

I'm willing to lead a breakout session if not (I've done one at the last 3 CMSeattles and enjoyed it).  :)
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« Reply #682 on: February 03, 2017, 07:25:18 AM »
Well, if people want to hear about how to get a patent - I'm available!

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

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« Reply #683 on: February 03, 2017, 07:41:53 AM »
This seat release will sell out bunks (30 spots) and I am still looking for 2 speakers and a morning fitness leader for day 2. If anyone here is willing to share a topic they are passionate about or lead an aerobics class or a jog or something, please step up.

I'd wager you will have multiple willing speakers in the last 30 people.

I'm willing to lead a breakout session if not (I've done one at the last 3 CMSeattles and enjoyed it).  :)

I already have you and Allie penciled in. So far I can't decide whether I'd rather hear from you or her.

Well, if people want to hear about how to get a patent - I'm available!

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

This might make a great session - 15 minutes on development and raw how-to followed by a 30 minute Q&A/storytelling. I know a guy in Georgia who makes a living developing lighting patents and selling them to Lithonia lighting. He has some of the zaniest ideas.

I've also fielded a request for someone who can speak to Mustachianism for the disabled. Things like seeking advocacy on a budget, saving on a fixed income, overcoming stigma and mobility limitations while working and investing. And the very real fact that many of us will face some disability at some point in our lives - try typing with a broken wrist. It could be a great session - if anyone wants to lead the discussion, let me know.

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« Reply #684 on: February 03, 2017, 08:22:14 AM »

I already have you and Allie penciled in. So far I can't decide whether I'd rather hear from you or her.


I vote for both! It would be fantastic to get Allie's point of view!

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« Reply #685 on: February 03, 2017, 08:41:17 AM »
Hey Prospector, I am going to be in my night class when this whole thing goes down on Monday, so I am going to have (my not very tech savvy) DH set up to buy my ticket. Just to be clear, he watches this thread (first post), and when your email address appears, he sends you an email with the request for tickets. If you respond, then we got lucky?

Correct. Your tickets will be shinier and personally autographed if he bribes me in the most correct manner.

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« Reply #686 on: February 03, 2017, 09:21:15 AM »
Hmmm, what are the odds of finding a cheap flight from the west coast in the next 9 months. . .I am seriously contemplating this! 

Anyone else going to be flying in and need to find their way there from the airport?

We've talked about it a few times - check flights to YTO as well as to BUF This will cover the three closest airports to camp. Folks are setting up carpools and transit options.

Thank you - and apologies, I have not yet had the chance to dig through all 14 pages of dialogue yet!

Beer, campfires, hiking, canoeing, and awesome like-minded people. . . sounds like a perfect weekend to me!

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« Reply #687 on: February 03, 2017, 10:34:08 AM »
Hmmm, what are the odds of finding a cheap flight from the west coast in the next 9 months. . .I am seriously contemplating this! 

Anyone else going to be flying in and need to find their way there from the airport?

We've talked about it a few times - check flights to YTO as well as to BUF This will cover the three closest airports to camp. Folks are setting up carpools and transit options.

Thank you - and apologies, I have not yet had the chance to dig through all 14 pages of dialogue yet!

Beer, campfires, hiking, canoeing, and awesome like-minded people. . . sounds like a perfect weekend to me!

No apologies needed! I was a little short in my answer, sorry for that - it was a rushed morning. And most of those conversations have happened not in this thread.

I am very confident that with a modicum of planning you can hitch a ride from the airport. If you Land at YYZ or YTZ you can take transit to the Aldershot station, and I am trying to get a carpool running from there to the venue as well.

Hope that helps! Look forward to seeing you at CMC!

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« Reply #688 on: February 03, 2017, 10:35:53 AM »
Since I'm at home and the spreadsheet is handy... right now we have 11 males to 15 females. This seat release will sell out bunks (30 spots) and I am still looking for 2 speakers and a morning fitness leader for day 2. If anyone here is willing to share a topic they are passionate about or lead an aerobics class or a jog or something, please step up.

Also the number above don't lie - the ladies are obviously better at spotting an awesome weekend away!

What are the current speakers/topics, Is there an obvious hole you think should be filled?

I could lead a fitness session on sleeping in and nursing a hangover? Ok, maybe I should volunteer for the first instead..

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« Reply #689 on: February 03, 2017, 10:38:03 AM »
Since I'm at home and the spreadsheet is handy... right now we have 11 males to 15 females. This seat release will sell out bunks (30 spots) and I am still looking for 2 speakers and a morning fitness leader for day 2. If anyone here is willing to share a topic they are passionate about or lead an aerobics class or a jog or something, please step up.

Also the number above don't lie - the ladies are obviously better at spotting an awesome weekend away!

What are the current speakers/topics, Is there an obvious hole you think should be filled?

I could lead a fitness session on sleeping in and nursing a hangover? Ok, maybe I should volunteer for the first instead..

You are in there too - maybe I should send out a schedule to all my confirmed speakers!

Also, this reminds me - I forgot to post our monthly speaker bio for February. I am a bad, bad, organizer.

Will do that today.

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« Reply #690 on: February 03, 2017, 11:00:15 AM »
Hey Prospector, I am going to be in my night class when this whole thing goes down on Monday, so I am going to have (my not very tech savvy) DH set up to buy my ticket. Just to be clear, he watches this thread (first post), and when your email address appears, he sends you an email with the request for tickets. If you respond, then we got lucky?

Correct. Your tickets will be shinier and personally autographed if he bribes me in the most correct manner.

This sounds nefarious, but what Prospector really means is that he wants you to include a Christmas Valentine's Day card with your deposit (or a St. Patrick's Day card, if you're slow mailing your cheque).

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Re: Camp Mustache Canada - 2017
« Reply #691 on: February 03, 2017, 11:01:52 AM »
Februray Speaker Intro:

TheGoblinChief has volunteered to lead a breakout sessionon urban homesteading, gardening, and food preservation. I'm excited to hear about raising meat rabbits and growing crops in Milwaukee where neighbours and winter moight stop less hearty folks. In his own words, here is David's story:

By the time CMC hits I will be 33 with kids at home ages 11,10, and 7. When I first joined the MMM community I worked part-time on the weekends and homeschooled during the week. Unlike a lot of people, I came to MMM not via the financial independence and debt-killing angle. Instead someone on Facebook shared the post about the "Low News Diet" which linked to the post about Circle of Concern and Circle of Influence. No joke but those two posts changed my life. I used to be a huge political and news junkie but all being "informed" does is get you angry about stuff that's way out of your ability to control, let alone influence. Yes, I could get involved in politics but I had no desire at the time, and nowadays I'm so odd compared to the thrust of American politics that I would have zero expectation of success.

My session is focused on being a stay-at-home parent, a homeschooling parent, doing urban homesteading, and thus the interaction between all three of those. I figure on giving a brief introduction and then treating this as a free-ranging AMA discussion and idea-swapping session between all the participants. In a lot of ways, my wife and I have a very traditional marriage, just with the gender roles swapped. Our stress levels went way down and our happiness went way up when we finally made enough financial progress that I could stop working on the weekends and focus exclusively on the home, and my wife had to juggle less between her career and day-to-day household tasks.

I started homeschooling almost on a whim, making the decision just a week before the start of the 2013-14 school year. Our oldest really struggled in school. She was expelled from kindergarten at a Catholic school after just a couple months. The second school she attended was better, and we stayed for the rest of that year and 2 more but she never really thrived. Both her and her younger sister would be so tired after a long day at school, and I felt like they never understood what they learned until I worked one on one with them doing their homework. Why were we paying tuition when the best teaching was happening at home?

It's been a journey of lots of trial and error but three years later we don't regret the decision. A lower stress, more intimate learning environment has been so much better for the two who had gone to regular school. Our youngest has only learned in the home and really thrives. I fear if he had been in regular school, he would be one of the types to be labeled ADD or ADHD despite being very bright for his age and definitely able to focus on tasks he wants to focus on.

Our urban homesteading journey was also triggered by homeschooling. We had a small ornamental garden but I built a raised bed to grow some fun veggies as part of their science education. Within a year, that small raised bed became most of the lawn being ripped up and it's grown from there with more gardens, perennials, chickens, and meat rabbits.

On a strict financial basis, very little of this has saved us any money yet, though it may as the capital outlays amortize. We love the lifestyle, being closer to the source of our food. I struggle a lot of anxiety and depression, and working with the plants and animals is very therapeutic. Our eventual goal is early retirement of sorts for my wife, though she's expressed a desire to never stop working at some level (i.e., part-time or doing consulting here and there), and to move out into the country.

City living stresses people out. I don't think it's natural for us to be so closely together without the ability to tend the earth and raise animals. It's very difficult, if even possible at all, to make city living truly sustainable. I want a land base that can feed my family and work towards communal sufficiency with likeminded homesteaders and farmers. I see how my kids benefit from exposure to the animals and gardens. All of them express some level of interest in gardening and keeping animals when they're grown up. I'd encourage the kids, if they want to, to start a farming enterprise of their own on our land as they get older, or even as adults in some form of inter-generational living.

Let me know what you want to see in this session and whether you think this format is best or if something more structured would be better.
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Re: Camp Mustache Canada - 2017
« Reply #692 on: February 03, 2017, 11:05:20 AM »
^Not Minneapolis .... Milwaukee (Wisconsin).
Still very cold! Brrrrr

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Re: Camp Mustache Canada - 2017
« Reply #693 on: February 03, 2017, 11:13:55 AM »
^Not Minneapolis .... Milwaukee (Wisconsin).
Still very cold! Brrrrr

Thanks for the catch.

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Re: Camp Mustache Canada - 2017
« Reply #694 on: February 03, 2017, 11:17:30 AM »
Hmmm, what are the odds of finding a cheap flight from the west coast in the next 9 months. . .I am seriously contemplating this! 

Cheap flight?

I don't know your credit score, but if it's decent, and you're willing to sign up for a credit card, how about a free flight, the Camp fee paid for, a second free flight, and cash back in your pocket, instead?

;)

Sign me up!  Is it even possible to get CC deals this good on this side of the border, and will it require a happy ending?  I should really find the thread about this . . . there has got to be one already, right?

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Re: Camp Mustache Canada - 2017
« Reply #695 on: February 03, 2017, 11:24:31 AM »
Hi Prospector,

Is there a schedule of speakers and events posted somewhere? 

I saw one somewhere at one time but can't remember what page it was on (and now there are 15 pages to sift through  YIKES!!)

Thanks!

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Re: Camp Mustache Canada - 2017
« Reply #696 on: February 03, 2017, 11:34:48 AM »
Hi Prospector,

Is there a schedule of speakers and events posted somewhere? 

I saw one somewhere at one time but can't remember what page it was on (and now there are 15 pages to sift through  YIKES!!)

Thanks!

Wow - it was buried deep - this post:
http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/meetups-and-social-events/ontario's-own-camp-mustache-2017/msg1322387/#msg1322387

I've copied and updated. I can add times later today. Note this is still a working schedule - where announcements have been made I have inserted names. Where I have not inserted names, announcements are forthcoming:

I'll be posting speaker bio's monthly as we lead up to the camp, but as of right now, here are the topics being proposed. Note the TBD are placeholders for open speaking slots. Also, someone needs to convince Mr. Snow to come lead our morning exercise on day 3. Or a jogger needs to lead a group run, or something.:

DAY 1
Opening Session - Speaker 1 - Gen Finance - MonsterMonster
Opening Session - Speaker 2 - TBD

DAY 2
Fitness - Yoga - ElleFiji
Keynote - Speaker 3 - ETF/Index investing - Dan Bortolotti
Breakout 1 - Speaker 4 -Landlording - Rachelle Berube
Breakout 1 - Speaker 5 - Canadian Accounting Q&A
Breakout 2 - Speaker 6 - Post Fire Life
Breakout 2 - Speaker 7 - Mustachian Pupsters - Rehabilitating, Training, and Caring for Cats and dogs on a budget
Breakout 3 - Speaker 8 - Mustachian Travel
Breakout 3 - Speaker 9 - Urban Homesteading - TheGoblinChief

DAY 3
Fitness - TBD
Breakout 4 - Speaker 10 - Life Coaching
Breakout 4 - Speaker 11 - Home Maintenance/Gardening/Décor
Group Activity - Canoeing (TBD)
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Re: Camp Mustache Canada - 2017
« Reply #697 on: February 03, 2017, 12:09:33 PM »
Sign me up!  Is it even possible to get CC deals this good on this side of the border, and will it require a happy ending?  I should really find the thread about this . . . there has got to be one already, right?

Its not as good but there are still deals to be had. I'm not as well-versed on Cdn CCs though as we focus more of our travel hacking on US cards.

- Way back when, I loved the Capital One World Aspire. Not so easy to redeem (a lot of rules that wasn't so easy to understand), but I liked what I got.

- Last year, I got the TD Visa Infinite - I think it was worth about $200/pp in travel. You can redeem through their portal for Expedia flights.

- I also got a bunch of Air Miles cards a couple of years back. but that was for a very specific redemption in mind. We added to the miles through shopping at Rexall during special bonus days. Made out pretty good there.

The best part of Canadian credit cards is going through Great Canadian Rebates. I keep forgetting to add the rebate into my mental tally of a card's bonus points - but it really does add up when you get a $50-60 cashback. The US has nothing like this.


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Re: Camp Mustache Canada - 2017
« Reply #698 on: February 03, 2017, 12:14:49 PM »
Sign me up!  Is it even possible to get CC deals this good on this side of the border, and will it require a happy ending?  I should really find the thread about this . . . there has got to be one already, right?

Its not as good but there are still deals to be had. I'm not as well-versed on Cdn CCs though as we focus more of our travel hacking on US cards.

- Way back when, I loved the Capital One World Aspire. Not so easy to redeem (a lot of rules that wasn't so easy to understand), but I liked what I got.

- Last year, I got the TD Visa Infinite - I think it was worth about $200/pp in travel. You can redeem through their portal for Expedia flights.

- I also got a bunch of Air Miles cards a couple of years back. but that was for a very specific redemption in mind. We added to the miles through shopping at Rexall during special bonus days. Made out pretty good there.

The best part of Canadian credit cards is going through Great Canadian Rebates. I keep forgetting to add the rebate into my mental tally of a card's bonus points - but it really does add up when you get a $50-60 cashback. The US has nothing like this.

I got a BMO World Elite Mastercard for all things Barnhouse. It had a $300 fee, but came with enough points for a roundtrip flight pretty much anyplace in Canada. We've used the points to book hotels in teh states and its gone smoothly so far.

Someone pointed me to the ratehub card comparison - it might be a good place for you to start as well.

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« Reply #699 on: February 03, 2017, 12:22:20 PM »
Sign me up!  Is it even possible to get CC deals this good on this side of the border, and will it require a happy ending?  I should really find the thread about this . . . there has got to be one already, right?
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- Last year, I got the TD Visa Infinite - I think it was worth about $200/pp in travel. You can redeem through their portal for Expedia flights.

The best part of Canadian credit cards is going through Great Canadian Rebates. I keep forgetting to add the rebate into my mental tally of a card's bonus points - but it really does add up when you get a $50-60 cashback. The US has nothing like this.

We currently have the TD Visa Infinite - it is pretty good as far as Canadian cards go.  Just in case you aren't aware, you can book your travel on ANY site you wish, and once the charge appears on your statement call the number on the back of the card (you can do it online as well) to have your travel dollars redeemed against it.  I have noticed that their Expedia site rarely matches seat sales, so you can frequently get a better deal elsewhere, though you will only get the 3x points instead of the 9x.  Now if only I could convince them to cover the cost of CMC with my travel points!

Thanks for the reminder about Great Canadian Rebates - I had totally forgotten about that site. :)

 

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