Author Topic: Camp Mustache Canada - 2017 (Read 405937 times)

pbkmaine · « **Reply #550 on:** December 15, 2016, 03:34:10 AM »

Quote from: jordanread on December 15, 2016, 03:11:50 AM

MXT is going. She was planning on attending with me, but just in case I can't get in, I may or may not bundle her in a suitcase and ship her up there. MXT will be there. Please make it worth her for her.

Tell her that there is a hug waiting for her from me. (If she's a hugger.)

jordanread · « **Reply #551 on:** December 15, 2016, 04:24:26 AM »

Quote from: pbkmaine on December 15, 2016, 03:34:10 AM

Quote from: jordanread on December 15, 2016, 03:11:50 AM
MXT is going. She was planning on attending with me, but just in case I can't get in, I may or may not bundle her in a suitcase and ship her up there. MXT will be there. Please make it worth her for her.

Tell her that there is a hug waiting for her from me. (If she's a hugger.)

Meh, she's indifferent. Hug her!! It'll be awesome. Also, there is like 10 months to go.

arebelspy · « **Reply #552 on:** December 15, 2016, 04:31:23 AM »

Quote from: jordanread on December 15, 2016, 04:24:26 AM

Quote from: pbkmaine on December 15, 2016, 03:34:10 AM
Quote from: jordanread on December 15, 2016, 03:11:50 AM
MXT is going. She was planning on attending with me, but just in case I can't get in, I may or may not bundle her in a suitcase and ship her up there. MXT will be there. Please make it worth her for her.

Tell her that there is a hug waiting for her from me. (If she's a hugger.)

Meh, she's indifferent. Hug her!! It'll be awesome. Also, there is like 10 months to go.

I have faith that pbk never forgets a promised hug, just based on the little I know of her.

pbkmaine · « **Reply #553 on:** December 15, 2016, 04:32:34 AM »

Quote from: arebelspy on December 15, 2016, 04:31:23 AM

Quote from: jordanread on December 15, 2016, 04:24:26 AM
Quote from: pbkmaine on December 15, 2016, 03:34:10 AM
Quote from: jordanread on December 15, 2016, 03:11:50 AM
MXT is going. She was planning on attending with me, but just in case I can't get in, I may or may not bundle her in a suitcase and ship her up there. MXT will be there. Please make it worth her for her.

Tell her that there is a hug waiting for her from me. (If she's a hugger.)

Meh, she's indifferent. Hug her!! It'll be awesome. Also, there is like 10 months to go.

I have faith that pbk never forgets a promised hug, just based on the little I know of her.

True, that.

jordanread · « **Reply #554 on:** December 15, 2016, 04:34:51 AM »

Quote from: pbkmaine on December 15, 2016, 04:32:34 AM

Quote from: arebelspy on December 15, 2016, 04:31:23 AM
Quote from: jordanread on December 15, 2016, 04:24:26 AM
Quote from: pbkmaine on December 15, 2016, 03:34:10 AM
Quote from: jordanread on December 15, 2016, 03:11:50 AM
MXT is going. She was planning on attending with me, but just in case I can't get in, I may or may not bundle her in a suitcase and ship her up there. MXT will be there. Please make it worth her for her.

Tell her that there is a hug waiting for her from me. (If she's a hugger.)

Meh, she's indifferent. Hug her!! It'll be awesome. Also, there is like 10 months to go.

I have faith that pbk never forgets a promised hug, just based on the little I know of her.

True, that.

Honestly, it's going to be like the chest bump, minus the falling over. Good stuff. Except I don't think I'll tell her.

Le Poisson · « **Reply #555 on:** December 31, 2016, 03:46:37 PM »

I need to introduce a new speaker in the morning. If I'm a little weary (late) after a night out, will you guys be Gentle? Also, two ppl submitted intros. Do you wanna hear about personal finance or real Estate?

This tablet capitalizes random words. How do I stop That?

jordanread · « **Reply #556 on:** December 31, 2016, 07:02:23 PM »

Android or apple tablet? Keyboard settings on an android, on an apple, I couldn't tell you. I vote for real estate, and I'll be relatively gentle.

MonkeyJenga · « **Reply #557 on:** January 01, 2017, 04:48:26 AM »

You know you set the rules and can post the info later in the day, or even on the 2nd, right?

Le Poisson · « **Reply #558 on:** January 01, 2017, 07:07:15 PM »

I set the rules, yes. I also hold myself to mediocre standard... As promised:

SPEAKER ANNOUNCEMENT:

If you follow the Canada Money Forum, you know "Berubeland" as one of the more prolific posters on the realities for Landlording and property management there. Witty, smart, and to the point, Rachelle is the sort of person who you want on your side in a tenant dispute. Her understanding of both the technical side of landlord and tenant laws in Ontario, her ability to read individuals and cut through to the essence of a situation, and her own business acumen have lead her to a position as one of the better landlord advocates around - but she's not a romantic when it comes to real estate.

Her pragmatic approach to real estate investments and her ability to read past the fluff and deep into data have won her recognition in national newspapers and on local committees. Rachelle is President of Landlord Rescue Inc, and possibly the most bearish property manager south of the Arctic Circle. For the last 20 years she has managed multi residential buildings, commercial strip plazas, townhouse complexes, duplexes, houses, and lots of condos. Her hobby is busting up REIT ponzi schemes and using her critical thinking to shed light on some common memes in the industry.

I hope you are looking forward to Rachelle Berube's presentation as much as I am - please welcome her to the forum and the camp!

Bikeguy · « **Reply #559 on:** January 01, 2017, 07:09:16 PM »

Following

Berubeland · « **Reply #560 on:** January 01, 2017, 08:09:51 PM »

Hi All,

I'm looking forward to the weekend. I will answer any questions you feel need answering.

Any suggestions for topics?

jordanread · « **Reply #561 on:** January 01, 2017, 08:34:58 PM »

Quote from: Berubeland on January 01, 2017, 08:09:51 PM

Hi All,

I'm looking forward to the weekend. I will answer any questions you feel need answering.

Any suggestions for topics?

I do know a few people, myself included, for whom the legal specifics won't be too relevant (seeing as how I just learned where Ontario was). Seeing as how this is Camp Mustache Canada, I assume that stuff is going to be prevalent, as it should. However, I'd be very interested in the kind of approach one takes, and issues to identify that transcend borders. Almost like a list of things to stay aware of, regardless of the laws. Practices that facilitate getting to the data, approaches with tenants, and stuff like that.

Oh, and welcome to the forum. We have fun here.

Le Poisson · « **Reply #562 on:** January 01, 2017, 09:01:14 PM »

Quote from: Berubeland on January 01, 2017, 08:09:51 PM

Hi All,

I'm looking forward to the weekend. I will answer any questions you feel need answering.

Any suggestions for topics?

Topic 1: How super awesome Prospector is.
Topic 2: What is the best time of year for buying and setting up a rental. We bought in late fall and will be straddling tax years, and are now worried about a late winter tenant placement. Both from a tax and tenant perspective, what is the best target date for buying/occupancy? Why?

Le Poisson · « **Reply #563 on:** January 01, 2017, 10:03:43 PM »

Also, I'm curious - anyone doing a Norbert's Gambit to convert funds? I was just reading back on Elaine's cash conversions for American attendees, and wondering. Since we're headed south this spring, I tried selling the idea around here, but Momma would have none of it.

Instead we're taking a DCA approach and converting $XXX each pay from now until we head out.

In any case, if anyone does the gambit, I want all the details of how it pans out. Does this even work converting US cash this way, do you guys have any cross-border banks?

For those who may benefit, here is our keynote speaker's take on the trick of moving money by buying ETFs: http://canadiancouchpotato.com/2013/12/03/norberts-gambit-the-complete-guide/

CanuckExpat · « **Reply #564 on:** January 02, 2017, 01:03:09 AM »

Quote from: Prospector on January 01, 2017, 10:03:43 PM

Also, I'm curious - anyone doing a Norbert's Gambit to convert funds? I was just reading back on Elaine's cash conversions for American attendees, and wondering. Since we're headed south this spring, I tried selling the idea around here, but Momma would have none of it.

I did this once. To convert CAD to USD, using Questrade. It worked, but hassle and not sure if I would do it again.
I was doing it with funds for house down payment, it was on order of $50,000 or something, so it was worth it for me to try and get best exchange rate.

It worked as it should have, BUT, the whole time I was nervous that I would mess something up. And then later I ended up with USD in a Canadian brokerage and found the only convenient way I had to get that back to a US bank was by wire transfer, which had all kinds of fees involved.

So in practice, I did get an exchange rate very close to spot
BUT I took several days trying to decide how to do it, and the day to day variance in the exchange rate might have swamped any gains

Berubeland · « **Reply #565 on:** January 02, 2017, 08:39:28 AM »

Topic 1: How super awesome Prospector is.

Prospector is a very special person. It's hard to quantify how super awesome he is, but I'll try. A normal person like myself would only possess 10 or 20 units of super awesome. Super awesome is variable, and differs depending which direction you are looking and even your perspective. For instance, if I'm performing an eviction the tenant would see only -1 units of super awesome and the landlord might give me a score of 99 super awesome units. My husband usually thinks I'm at least 50 super awesome units, but if I ask him to do the dishes it immediately decreases.

Back to Prospector now, he possesses a grahams number of super awesome units https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham's_number. In fact I have no idea how he can even fit all those super awesome units in his body. It may even break the laws of physics, but the gravitational pull of the super awesome units just keep it all contained in one person. But I won't lie, the stresses involved may one day cause a super awesome super nova and where Prospector used to be...just a super awesome crater or even a super awesome black hole or even a super awesome non-planet.

He's that super awesome ;-) the only person with a greater amount of super awesome is my son, who possesses infinity super super super super awesome units.

Topic 2: What is the best time of year for buying and setting up a rental. We bought in late fall and will be straddling tax years, and are now worried about a late winter tenant placement. Both from a tax and tenant perspective, what is the best target date for buying/occupancy? Why?

The best time of year to set up your rental varies according to the "season" in Toronto that season is from June to September. It also depends on what type of rental you have, with smaller less expensive apartments appealing to more mobile/transient renters. The facts are that no matter when you buy your rental you need to try to rent it and that can be challenging.

For instance I listed a 4 bedroom house in North Oshawa December 19th and I just rented it for January 1st because the people had a fire in their house. I was not expecting that, generally these properties linger on through the winter but thee owner will get to rerent it for September 1 because that is the best rental month of the year. I took an 8 month lease on it....

G-dog · « **Reply #566 on:** January 02, 2017, 08:49:46 AM »

Questions:
1. When should you handle all property management yourself and when should you hire a property management company?
2. What is an acceptable fee range for a property management company?
3. What are the skills and characteristics of a successful real estate investor / mogul?
4. Residential vs. commercial real estate.

MonkeyJenga · « **Reply #567 on:** January 02, 2017, 09:05:35 AM »

I may disagree with your ranking of Prospero quiiite so highly on the super awesome scale, but I appreciate your thorough analysis.

Le Poisson · « **Reply #568 on:** January 02, 2017, 11:34:14 AM »

Because I am super-awesome (no matter what Jenga says), I have two announcements:

1. Room rates for ppl with primates and games in their names have just gone up by 500%.
2. A second speaker announcement:

SPEAKER ANNOUNCEMENT #3 - Opening Speaker

Our opening speaker has spent most of her career working in nonprofit jobs, directly coaching low-income folks to overcome perceived barriers to their success. Her program has captured the imagination of individuals in the northwest featuring her as a speaker at financial conferences and on blogs and podcasts. Applying principals of frugality and budgeting has seen her experiment with a wide variety of lifestyles including living in a geodesic dome made of political yard signs, on a tree platform, as a full-time live-in social worker, surrounded by thieving monkeys in the national forest of Karnataka, India, and in a broken-down RV at a hippie commune. She's exceptionally experienced at non-traditional ways to accomplish living, traveling, saving, and giving to charity with limited means thanks to earning less than $15,000 annually most years of her working life. She now teaches personal finance classes to young adults, transforming the wisdom of Ziggy Stardust into lessons about credit & budgeting.

Doing all this while pumping out an e-zine, podcasts, and blog is no small feat!

We are pleased to announce MONSTERMONSTER (AKA Ms. Ziggy Stardust) as our kickoff speaker for Friday afternoon at CampMustache Canada!

Berubeland · « **Reply #569 on:** January 02, 2017, 03:21:45 PM »

Quote from: G-dog on January 02, 2017, 08:49:46 AM

Questions:
1. When should you handle all property management yourself and when should you hire a property management company?

It depends on a lot of different reasons but the most crucial question really is Do you really want to be a landlord? Are you suited to doing the things landlord do? To be honest any owner with a willingness to learn and a decent amount of time and some common sense can do the job. In some cases, they can do better than I can because they have one property and I have many to deal with.

They don't have the expertise or experience any property manager would have, but ultimately it's not the manager's property so you have more self interest.

Overtime, I've noticed that I do have a lot of skill I take for granted. Some of my owners have hired me for one rental and one year of property management and then set out on their own with my blessing.

However... if you are out of the country or too far away, it's just irresponsible not to have someone who can take care of issues. I have also noticed I add a lot of issue when dealing with condo corps. When it starts to leak for some reason they like to find a reason to charge the owner. I had one recently threaten to charge an owner back because of negligence because the tenant didn't report "fast enough" one rudely worded email later and that was the last I heard about charging the owner back.

2. What is an acceptable fee range for a property management company?

It depends on the service they offer. 5-10% is standard and really it depends what you need.

3. What are the skills and characteristics of a successful real estate investor / mogul?

It really depends. I would say being financially prudent is an asset and this is common characteristic. Generally the best real estate investors have an affinity and an edge of some kind. Some people excel at low income properties, others have an eye for deals, others buy for appreciation.

One of my favorite investors was a terrible manager but he was an excellent business man. He bought this one property with three buildings on it. He severed the lots and sold one building for what he had paid for the whole lot. Then he sold off this one parcel with a convenience store on it and kept this strip mall type plaza with 6 stores and 6 apartments above it. But he had 3 run down empty apartments that were vacant in there and an empty store. I got them filled up for him.

Real Estate is a long term retirement plan more than it is a get 20 properties quick and roll in the dough plan. I laugh whenever someone tells me real estate is passive income. It's more of a side gig, you won't get approved for mortgages unless you have income.

4. Residential vs. commercial real estate.

Residential is easy to get into, and you can get some appreciation. There are plenty of tenants.

Commercial generally has higher barriers to entry and appreciation is based on increased income. Tenants tend to be fewer and farther between and you may have some very long vacancy gaps. Property taxes are much higher. Once you have a tenant... they may stay for 20 years or more and as a landlord you have the rules on your side upon renewal of the lease. Commercial tenancies are complex.

jordanread · « **Reply #570 on:** January 03, 2017, 07:10:46 AM »

Holy shit! M2 is coming too? This is going to be awesome.

Daisy · « **Reply #571 on:** January 03, 2017, 02:47:27 PM »

I ordered my free Canadian national parks pass posted somehwere on these forums.

This makes it more likely that I will be visiting Canada this year and CMC as well.

Now I just need to follow through with a 2017 FIRE to make it all happen.

Le Poisson · « **Reply #572 on:** January 06, 2017, 02:29:05 PM »

Quote from: Daisy on January 03, 2017, 02:47:27 PM

I ordered my free Canadian national parks pass posted somehwere on these forums.

This makes it more likely that I will be visiting Canada this year and CMC as well.

Now I just need to follow through with a 2017 FIRE to make it all happen.

What I don't unnerstand about the free parks pass... if its free admission, why do people need to get a pass? Like wouldn't it be cheaper to just shake everyone's hand as they go through th egate instead of printing/mailing out thousands of passes?

And be careful, the pass ONLY gets free admission. You will still have to pay for camping and other activities. We had some friends talking about boating through the Trent Canal on their free pass, and we pointed out that the admission to the canal is covered (its always been free), but not locking fees.

elaine amj · « **Reply #573 on:** January 06, 2017, 02:33:36 PM »

I agree. From what I can figure out, I will likely only get limited use out of mine. Locally, we have a national historic site (but my teens are rather old for this) and a national park (where we do like to go hiking/biking/canoeing) about an hour away. I've looked into other National Parks in the areas I expect to travel but unfortunately, none of them will really work out for my travel plans for 2017. We are camping - but will be going to Ontario Provincial Parks and our camping permits will give us access to all other parks during our trip anyway.

I was mostly hoping for extra hiking, etc but none are really located where I plan to be. I should have been smarter and planned a big road trip out east. Or even to Ottawa/Montreal.

arebelspy · « **Reply #574 on:** January 06, 2017, 04:13:30 PM »

Quote from: Prospector on January 06, 2017, 02:29:05 PM

What I don't unnerstand about the free parks pass... if its free admission, why do people need to get a pass? Like wouldn't it be cheaper to just shake everyone's hand as they go through th egate instead of printing/mailing out thousands of passes?

Awareness. They could advertise it as free, or they could add the tiny "cost" to people of taking the time to sign up for it, wait to receive it, etc.

That makes people value it more, and having a "pass" makes it seem exclusive, versus anyone who can just show up.

The printing and mailing is essentially a marketing cost to get people to actually GO to the parks.

okits · « **Reply #575 on:** January 06, 2017, 06:23:56 PM »

Quote from: arebelspy on January 06, 2017, 04:13:30 PM

Quote from: Prospector on January 06, 2017, 02:29:05 PM
What I don't unnerstand about the free parks pass... if its free admission, why do people need to get a pass? Like wouldn't it be cheaper to just shake everyone's hand as they go through th egate instead of printing/mailing out thousands of passes?

Awareness. They could advertise it as free, or they could add the tiny "cost" to people of taking the time to sign up for it, wait to receive it, etc.

That makes people value it more, and having a "pass" makes it seem exclusive, versus anyone who can just show up.

The printing and mailing is essentially a marketing cost to get people to actually GO to the parks.

And it gave me something spiffy to put in DH's Christmas stocking!

ElleFiji · « **Reply #576 on:** January 06, 2017, 08:39:45 PM »

They pay the cost to send out the passes, and get your contact information for ever and ever.

lucy16076 · « **Reply #577 on:** January 11, 2017, 04:25:13 AM »

Did I read that the next tickets will go on sale Feb 1st? Will there be a link here on this forum?
This is the first I'm hearing about MMM coming home to CANADA!! So exciting! Hope I don't miss it!

arebelspy · « **Reply #578 on:** January 11, 2017, 04:40:47 AM »

Quote from: lucy16076 on January 11, 2017, 04:25:13 AM

Did I read that the next tickets will go on sale Feb 1st? Will there be a link here on this forum?
This is the first I'm hearing about MMM coming home to CANADA!! So exciting! Hope I don't miss it!

MMM will not be there, as I understand it, as CMC is scheduled during the week of FINCon, which he attends.

He does annually travel back to Canada to visit family, and sometimes does a meetup, I believe.

If he does the same as the presale, Prospector will be posting instructions on ordering the next batch of tickets in the first post of this thread (and a countdown to when that will be a few days before, so just watch this thread). :)

Le Poisson · « **Reply #579 on:** January 11, 2017, 05:50:04 AM »

Quote from: arebelspy on January 11, 2017, 04:40:47 AM

Quote from: lucy16076 on January 11, 2017, 04:25:13 AM
Did I read that the next tickets will go on sale Feb 1st? Will there be a link here on this forum?
This is the first I'm hearing about MMM coming home to CANADA!! So exciting! Hope I don't miss it!
MMM will not be there, as I understand it, as CMC is scheduled during the week of FINCon, which he attends.

He does annually travel back to Canada to visit family, and sometimes does a meetup, I believe.

If he does the same as the presale, Prospector will be posting instructions on ordering the next batch of tickets in the first post of this thread (and a countdown to when that will be a few days before, so just watch this thread). :)

All true, and well said - don't count on Feb 1 though - still working with the venue on food pricing. Maybe first half of February. Keep watching this space and I'll announce here.

Le Poisson · « **Reply #580 on:** January 13, 2017, 11:47:53 AM »

Just heard back from venue and have 2 important news tidbits...

1. I got a menu and THE MEATBALL PARTY IS ALL SYSTEMS GO!!!!
2. We can send our deposit anytime.

Since all these wonderful people sent in their deposits we are ready. Thanks to everyone who participated in the pre-sale to make securing the venue possible!!

As soon as I nail down the menu and send in our deposit, I will be able to allocate schwag* and equipment budgets easily, and we will be ready for an early February sale of the remaining bunks.

*Schwag budget will be small. I have heard your cries, Oh mustachians, and know that a minimalist/frugal crowd does not have much need of "stuff".

MonkeyJenga · « **Reply #581 on:** January 13, 2017, 11:55:53 AM »

Quote from: Prospector on January 13, 2017, 11:47:53 AM

Just heard back from venue and have only one important news tidbit...

1. I got a menu and THE MEATBALL PARTY IS ALL SYSTEMS GO!!!!

Excellent. I would like formal recognition. Nothing too much. Maybe a toast, a small plaque, and a long, heartfelt speech.

With tears.

Le Poisson · « **Reply #582 on:** January 13, 2017, 12:27:49 PM »

Quote from: MonkeyJenga on January 13, 2017, 11:55:53 AM

Quote from: Prospector on January 13, 2017, 11:47:53 AM
Just heard back from venue and have only one important news tidbit...

1. I got a menu and THE MEATBALL PARTY IS ALL SYSTEMS GO!!!!

Excellent. I would like formal recognition. Nothing too much. Maybe a toast, a small plaque, and a long, heartfelt speech.

With tears.

You got me so excited I just went ahead and prebooked the sound systems for speeches. Please avoid crying directly on the mics, I want my damage deposit back after this.

okits · « **Reply #583 on:** January 13, 2017, 01:03:26 PM »

Quote from: MonkeyJenga on January 13, 2017, 11:55:53 AM

Quote from: Prospector on January 13, 2017, 11:47:53 AM
Just heard back from venue and have only one important news tidbit...

1. I got a menu and THE MEATBALL PARTY IS ALL SYSTEMS GO!!!!

Excellent. I would like formal recognition. Nothing too much. Maybe a toast, a small plaque, and a long, heartfelt speech.

With tears.

Someone crafty will make you a crown so you can be the Mustachian Meatball Monarch during the party. You are first in line at the meatball table. :)

elaine amj · « **Reply #584 on:** January 13, 2017, 02:08:46 PM »

As long as I get to muscle my way in so I can shove meatballs in my face, I'll be good. Yay for meatballs!!!

Le Poisson · « **Reply #585 on:** January 13, 2017, 02:09:22 PM »

Quote from: okits on January 13, 2017, 01:03:26 PM

Quote from: MonkeyJenga on January 13, 2017, 11:55:53 AM
Quote from: Prospector on January 13, 2017, 11:47:53 AM
Just heard back from venue and have only one important news tidbit...

1. I got a menu and THE MEATBALL PARTY IS ALL SYSTEMS GO!!!!

Excellent. I would like formal recognition. Nothing too much. Maybe a toast, a small plaque, and a long, heartfelt speech.

With tears.

Someone crafty will make you a crown so you can be the Mustachian Meatball Monarch during the party. You are first in line at the meatball table. :)

She can be queen of the Ball(s)*

*Works on so many levels.

G-dog · « **Reply #586 on:** January 13, 2017, 02:13:29 PM »

Quote from: Prospector on January 13, 2017, 02:09:22 PM

Quote from: okits on January 13, 2017, 01:03:26 PM
Quote from: MonkeyJenga on January 13, 2017, 11:55:53 AM
Quote from: Prospector on January 13, 2017, 11:47:53 AM
Just heard back from venue and have only one important news tidbit...

1. I got a menu and THE MEATBALL PARTY IS ALL SYSTEMS GO!!!!

Excellent. I would like formal recognition. Nothing too much. Maybe a toast, a small plaque, and a long, heartfelt speech.

With tears.

Someone crafty will make you a crown so you can be the Mustachian Meatball Monarch during the party. You are first in line at the meatball table. :)

She can be queen of the Ball(s)*

*Works on so many levels.

Let's leave her personal life out of this.

tardis · « **Reply #587 on:** January 13, 2017, 02:53:32 PM »

Quote from: Prospector on January 13, 2017, 11:47:53 AM

1. I got a menu and THE ~~MEATBALL~~ PARTY IS ALL SYSTEMS GO!!!!

So while y'all frolic in a sea of ground-up dead animal spheres, what's the veggie option?

Le Poisson · « **Reply #588 on:** January 13, 2017, 03:02:29 PM »

Quote from: tardis on January 13, 2017, 02:53:32 PM

Quote from: Prospector on January 13, 2017, 11:47:53 AM
1. I got a menu and THE ~~MEATBALL~~ PARTY IS ALL SYSTEMS GO!!!!

So while y'all frolic in a sea of ground-up dead animal spheres, what's the veggie option?

Not sure yet, but my suggestions included something To-fu-ish and Falafels. Do you have any suggestions? I haven't coordinated with the cooks on this yet. What orbs of deliciousness can you educate me on? Falafels have been a success.

RetiredAt63 · « **Reply #589 on:** January 13, 2017, 05:57:30 PM »

While you are talking with the cooks, please remind them that some of us will have special needs diets even though you have not got details yet. I know you said they deal with special dietary needs all the time, so all they need is a heads-up. If they put grass seed* in the meatballs I won't be able to eat them. :-(

*grass seed - wheat, rye, most oats.

Anyone else gluten free and low carb?

Thegoblinchief · « **Reply #590 on:** January 14, 2017, 05:54:00 AM »

Not gluten free but I will be starting a low carb diet this coming week.

Le Poisson · « **Reply #591 on:** January 14, 2017, 06:32:09 AM »

Its great that everyone is sharing! There will be a spot on the form for folks to put their individual diets.

FIFoFum · « **Reply #592 on:** January 14, 2017, 09:15:18 AM »

Diet/special needs for food like this get out of hand very quickly when you multiply the number of people, so I'd be very careful about managing expectations here or overpromising. It's especially tricky with things that have no accepted scientific definition (e.g., "low carb" or "vegetarian"). If they are used to handling dietary needs, especially for medical reasons, that probably means they have a system for avoiding common allergens and preventing cross-contamination & know how to cook for those with specific conditions (e.g., diabetes). They also are much better about labeling and giving you info to make appropriate choices.

There is no special form in the world that can juggle all the needs that even our small group will present. What's important is that there is an honest and transparent conversation in advance about what options will be available if you are someone who has a special dietary need.

pbkmaine · « **Reply #593 on:** January 14, 2017, 09:21:39 AM »

Since I live in an over-55 community, I am surrounded by special dietary needs. I do not know if this can be arranged at the site, but what seems to work best is the "bar" idea - salad bar, soup bar, sandwich bar, etc. Then people can pick and choose.

RetiredAt63 · « **Reply #594 on:** January 14, 2017, 01:30:00 PM »

^This. If I know what foods have gluten I can avoid them. The issue is hidden additives. Bread crumbs are often used as filler - I am thinking the meat balls.

Low carb - as long as there are choices I am fine, just as I am sure the vegetarians will be fine as long as they have suitable choices. I just don't want to be presented with a meal where everything is carb-laden - it is not fun deconstructing a sandwich so I can eat lunch, but I have done it. A bit odd for the people I am eating with, although possible entertaining? Desserts, sure, torture me.

ElleFiji · « **Reply #595 on:** January 14, 2017, 01:32:31 PM »

Quote from: FIFoFum on January 14, 2017, 09:15:18 AM

Diet/special needs for food like this get out of hand very quickly when you multiply the number of people, so I'd be very careful about managing expectations here or overpromising. It's especially tricky with things that have no accepted scientific definition (e.g., "low carb" or "vegetarian"). If they are used to handling dietary needs, especially for medical reasons, that probably means they have a system for avoiding common allergens and preventing cross-contamination & know how to cook for those with specific conditions (e.g., diabetes). They also are much better about labeling and giving you info to make appropriate choices.

There is no special form in the world that can juggle all the needs that even our small group will present. What's important is that there is an honest and transparent conversation in advance about what options will be available if you are someone who has a special dietary need.

:)

And we can take in as much peanut free packaged food as we can. And this is a children's charity run summer camp that is providing us adults with accommodations, food, and lots of kind thoughts at a ridiculously awesome price.

tardis · « **Reply #596 on:** January 14, 2017, 01:47:09 PM »

Sorry for starting the special diet train. :(. Honestly, as long as there's some sort of option and not just a 'here's extra salad'.

G-dog · « **Reply #597 on:** January 14, 2017, 02:37:07 PM »

As an omnivore - I would be OK if they went keto vegan gluten-free for all meals. It's only a few days.

Le Poisson · « **Reply #598 on:** January 14, 2017, 04:00:50 PM »

I have priced the camp with an omnivore diet.

Once we have numbers and know what specific diets we are accommodating, I'll be able to fill in the blanks for others.

My understanding is that omnivores are fed buffet style while special diets are plated and served directly at the kitchen.

Right now I am broad brushing the food stuff until details come in.

Le Poisson · « **Reply #599 on:** January 17, 2017, 11:46:34 AM »

OK surveymonkey users - I am setting up the enrollment form, can SM do this well? As in, will the results be able to be printed out by user so I can see that prospector is on a high cheeseburger diet and is roomies with ARS, or will I just get a count of the number of responses on a high cheeseburger diet?

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